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August 22, 2012

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To me, these are not subjective social issues, whether a woman has the unencumbered right to an abortion.

And this *is* a discussion about what kind of country we want to be, if not the exact conversation you were expecting.

Do we want to be a country that treats women like second class citizens who have no authority over their own bodies, a country where rape is spread across a spectrum that starts at one end with "She asked for it," a country where magical-thinking cretins like Todd Akin and Paul Ryan can tell a woman what she can or can't do with her own body?

My sense is that the Club For Growth crowd will make it a referendum about Reaganism with Obama countering with trickle-down snake oil. This effectively pushes the Religious Right/Culture Warriors under the bus, leaving the Club For Growth fully in charge. The current kerfluffle aside, the Culture War is over and has long since served its purpose. It was always just a means to an end.

During the Iran-Contra hearings, George Schultz made an insightful comment. He said something like, "In this town, arguments are never won, only continued. Even if the CFG crowd loses the argument during this cycle, they will have seized the basis for all future aregument and elections.

Worry not. We were never going to have an honest discussion along the lines you crave. Just look at what the Granny Starver has been saying since he got picked. He's holding himself and Mitt out as being the True Protectors of Medicare, rather than that foreign guy Obama who's robbing Medicare so that he can lavish unearned rewards on lazy poor/minority people.

I was hopeful, for about 3 hours, that the Ryan pick meant we really would have an ideological battle royale with Obama's pragmatic center-left view on one side, and Ryan's vision of a Galtian utopia on the other. Ryan had previously seemed so sure that his ideas were fantastic and all he needed was a megaphone to explain why. Alas, either he chickened out or Romney told him to stick to the list of approved lies at all costs. It became clear on announcement day that we're not gonna get the grand debate. Because the GOP and the Romney campaign know they'd lose that war and lose it big. So they're lying. They're trying to position themselves to the LEFT of Obama on Medicare. No, seriously.

Then, should they win, they'll take us into the Ayn Rand policy abyss, claiming that the election gave them a mandate. Conveniently forgetting that they did all that they could to avoid actually campaigning on those policies in an honest way.

So at this point, if Akinapalooza helps tip the balance away from the GOP, I'll take it. We were never gonna get the full repudiation of their demented economic beliefs that we deserve.

I really enjoy reading this blog. The comments are a big added plus. If for nothing else it convinces that there is intelligent life out there.

PM, didn't you just answer your own question: "What kind of nation do we want?"

A nation run by a party of clowns or a party of adults.

I think that's a debate worth having before having any other debates.

That's a beautiful turn of phrase, "A civilized society of individual aspirations nurtured in community care." I want that and I think most Americans--Even conservatives!--want it too. Unfortunately, debates about these kinds of things tend to go in a very predictable way.

When I talk to conservatives about anything from general social policy to specific economic issues, I get them to agree fairly easily. But the moment any of these issues start to be discussed in the society at large, everything changes. Suddenly, these reasonable people are so pumped full of Fox News talking points, they can no longer see straight, much less listen to facts or follow logic.

At the same time, the great center of the country becomes utterly confused by the MSM's he said/she said, false equivalence coverage.

And this is why we can't have nice things.

You are to be commended, PM, for the most excellent use of "et al." Such niceties are sadly lacking in today's degraded discourse.

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