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December 11, 2012

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I have not seen the film, and probably will not see the film. I have, however, read that the film does show a prisoner being waterboarded and implies that the information derived from that torture is what led to bin Laden.

Here is the problem. Are most people who see the film going to be able to discern the difference as Ackerman did? I don't know, although I hope it is clear enough in the film.

However, there are enough torture apologists out there that the meme that it was torture that led to bin Laden, and the film proves that, will spread anyway.

The problem with Greenwald's statements, to get back to your original point, is that he is accepting the meme I just mentioned as fact without verifying that the film does, in fact, do what he says it does.

He would have done his readers a much greater service if he had actually seen the film and then come back and said that the film does NOT in fact endorse tortue and if they hear it does, they should push back against it.

@japa21: Good points. I do intend to see ZDT, because as Malcolm X once said, you have to get into the habit of seeing things for yourself. To condemn a film without seeing it is a bulls**t move, and Greenwald performed it with amazing grace and skill.

"Here is the problem. Are most people who see the film going to be able to discern the difference as Ackerman did? I don't know, although I hope it is clear enough in the film."

This is a genuine concern, but I would counter that, well, we all hear about how film audiences today are "sophisticated and smart". At the same time, the reviews of ZDT--from those who have actually seen it--have made the point that the film does not endorse torture. Of course, art being subjective (not objective; that way lies madness), some may take a different POV...but of course, they'll have to see the film.

And as for Greenwald....Christ, why do people still give him notice? He's a smug, self-righteous tosser who believes that the only things that matter in the world are the three or four issues that he champions: drone strikes, Bradley Manning, Julian Assange being a hero and Barack Obama being the worst human being to sit in the White House. Disagree with him and you're a mindless robot following the orders of some evil puppetmaster.

In other words, he's an a*****e.

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