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August 13, 2015

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Anne J

Who is George Will trying to convince when he declares that sorry bunch "talent rich" and "impressive"? The public, or himself?

Peter G

He was, I note, careful not to itemize what talents these candidates possess. Perhaps if the upcoming debates were to feature a pageant talent portion where these hidden skills might be displayed we could find out. Who knows what unsuspected vocal, musical or terpsichorean skills are obscured by their collective awfulness. The porn industry, I further note, refer to their performers as talent also.

Peter G

Says Will, "They relish their candidate’s vituperation and share his aversion to facts." I fear this is insufficient description to distinguish Trump's followers from the rest of the Republican party. That statement alone nearly caused me to displace my right patella. But wait, there is better. Will continues: "This is why closed primaries, although not obligatory, are defensible: Let party members make the choices that define the party and dispense its most precious possession, a presidential nomination." Defend away, Will. But think about how you are going to deport those very people who boarded your crazy train at your invitation. You left it too late I think. The Birchers were a relatively small if vocal minority. The Trumpeters are not a small group and every bit as vocal. Had you not closed so many primaries strategic voters might have acted as a diluant on the craziness, the vituperation and aversion to facts you mentioned Will, but now you will discover that extremism in defense of extremism turns out to be a pretty stupid policy.

shsavage

Here's your talent competition, Peter: https://www.facebook.com/MemeGOP/photos/a.429122320441047.103062.429101477109798/1050409614978978/?type=1&theater

Peter G

A bad link shsavage, please try again. I'm keen to see. I hope, on reflection, that the leading candidate who has both the experience in putting on pageants and the leverage to insist on it, does not get carried away. I don't want to think about the possible swimsuit competition.

Bob

Will's ludicrous claim about talent richness is probably something he doesn't actually believe, but more to the point is something he thinks is irrelevant for anything other than blowing smoke up various passageways, including Mrs. Will's among the rest of the rightist hoi polloi's. Since what is known locally as genuine conservatism is something that no longer exists in meaningful practice, the column is like all other smart New Right opinion; pure misdirection that doesn't even try at credibility.

Will no doubt knows the Republicans have little to no chance at the White House in 2016. The best next-guy-in-line they could come up with is the brother of one of the most unpopular presidents in recent history. That's why Slick Willie became his bud - to get him out of the house and in front of TV cameras as an ugly reminder. The rest of the "serious" pack is completely ill-chosen for reasons that will emerge as they take turns rising in the polls. For now, that leaves Trump to do his celebrity contestant act.

The New Right, at least its intellectual branch, is beyond presidential politics. It's taken advantage of leftists' unfortunate tendency to avoid local politics and mid-term elections to concentrate on putting reactionary cranks in statehouses, on school boards, in professorships, on courts, and probably in animal control positions. They'll continue to spend heavily on corporate policy coordination with the Chamber of Commerce and groups like ALEC, lobbying to translate it into law, disenfranchisement, and of course their vast propaganda apparatus. They can't win honestly, but they've become expert at changing the rules of the game in the modern equivalent of smoke-filled rooms out of view of the public.

shsavage

Try this one: http://imgur.com/omWrgWd

Peter G

I'd say your opinion here speaks for me as well Bob. I'm just not sure how the other candidates will get their turns rising in the polls. They are a pretty indistinguishable lot. As near as I can tell right now the key to rising (like Carson) is to keep your mouth shut and stay out of the way of the Donald.

That last paragraph expresses exactly what I think has happened and will happen. It's not that I think the Democrats don't invest in local politics, although turn out is clearly a problem, but the Republicans are very good at exploiting the internal factional tensions within the Democratic base. And that is where they will fight their battles.

Peter G

Ow!

Anne J

I was going to suggest that perhaps in the next debates, there will be an evening gown and then swimsuit competition. But that's even better!

Lucidamente

Chuck Todd said the same idiotic thing back in June:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/06/17/chuck_todd_the_problem_with_trump_is_he_doesnt_play_by_a_set_of_rules.html

Anne J

I'm just wondering how many Donald Trump fans ever paid any mind to anything George Will had to say.

Bob

I can't see exactly how the others will rise either, Peter, I'm just going by the example of 2007. Since rightist commoners are looking for a personality to follow more than anything else, most candidates will probably get a turn at the top as the others are found wanting. None are as good actors as Reagan, excepting Trump who's actually fairly liberal, which is bound to get out. The only difference is Jeb might not have as sure a lock as Mitt did, but he's still likely to be the candidate.

shsavage

The last reasonable thing Will ever said was when Ken Burns caught him on film declaring that he believed in the Labor Theory of Value as far as baseball was concerned.

Peter G

Wasn't he the first guy fired on season two of Celebrity Apprentice?

Bob

HA! More real than reality.

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