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December 22, 2015

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Bob

Some of this strikes me as lame too, but to be fair BLM is doing more than showing up at the mall: "Since its inception, the Minneapolis chapter has pushed for legislative change at state and local levels — including calling for a $15 minimum wage citywide and a tougher police body camera policy, and supporting a bill that would restore the right to vote to felons who had served their time."

Unfortunately, most Americans probably don't see city hall as symbolic of much of anything, and newz cameras wouldn't show up there this time of year. A shopping mall, on the other hand ...

Peter G

What a coincidence. I wrote virtually the same thing during the awesome BLM Thanksgiving Day shutdown of one of Chigago's premier shopping districts. They were showing the man apparently. So you don't go to the police headquarters or city hall to protest. You demonstrate your activist power by making sure large numbers of people who might otherwise support your movement learn that their lives don't matter. Not the shop owners, not the sales clerks whose future employment prospects depend a great deal on the success of the holiday season and certainly not the shoppers who were prevented from commencing their Christmas shopping. Which frankly puts the lie to the theory that All Lives Matter fails to appreciate why Black Lives Matter.

So if your intention is to secure political support by disrupting the lives of the people whose support you need what you are is stupid. Surely someone learned something from the moribund Occupy Movement.

Bob

Compared to what the Tea Party is up to BLM looks fairly considerate.

Peter G

A fair observation Bob that protesters often don't draw the attention they believe they deserve. This touches on one of my pet peeves about people who call themselves activists. For some reason they've got it in their heads that their right of free speech trumps the rights of all other people and, worse, that they have to right to compel people to listen to them. I find the logic unpersuasive that if you can't get the attention you need from the people you need to get it from that your best alternative is to go annoy people who don't give a shit and just want to get on with their own lives. I used to make a lot of fun of the Occupy Movement and was thought to be a reactionary conservative in consequence. But I didn't fundamentally object to the things they said they wanted, when the laundry list finally got done. It was the stupid tactics, the relentlessly stupid tactics, that appalled me.

You know what I wish were true? I wish some of these activist nitwits would read Alinsky. Apparently only right wingers do that anymore.

Peter G

Not saying they're all bad Bob. Anyone in the BLM who attends a Trump rally with intention to disrupt incurs serious risk of getting stomped. Any way you look at it that takes courage.

Bob

I can't take a hard line because I've been on their side of things. I was never a street fighting man. In fact I thought the people that charged Chicago cops were crazy and stayed as far away from them as possible. However, it's not just that BLM is trying to get attention, it's that they're competing for attention. Also, the media are usually going to do everything possible to discredit your ideas. The "bloody black Friday" protest sign is painfully lame, but it's how the BI decided to picture the protesters. There were anti-war protesters that were dopey too, but they didn't represent the movement. And BLM isn't wearing guns or joking about killing reporters.

The Raven

"their right of free speech"

Not their right to free speech; their right to life.

Peter G

It's not they they don't have a very good point. It's that their tactics sometimes ,not always, alienate people who would otherwise be sympathetic to their cause. Alinsky was very sound on adopting symbols around which to organize. But the key point was disciplined organization. Without that discipline little gets accomplished. His point was not to fight the system but to use it.

The Raven

The only thing that would not alienate (white) people is to go on letting police kill black people with impunity. These objections were heard, over and over, during the civil rights movement of the 1960s. White people were constantly telling blacks to wait. I can only wonder, for what?

Martin Luther King's famous "Letter from a Birmingham Jail" is a memorable answer to that.

And, you know, white people aren't immune to police violence. Less at risk, probably. But not immune.

Peter G

You know who would fundamentally disagree with you? A fellow named Martin Luther King, a man who understood two things, there were white people and lots of them who were sympathetic to his cause and without whom he could not succeed. And that there were people he could never convince. He knew how to tell the difference between those groups and BLM doesn't.

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